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VFD 1.5 kw emi

Discussion in 'General Electronics' started by Bober, Apr 16, 2023.

  1. Bober

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    Hello, I have a problem with EMI interference
    Shielded wires, all grounded, a filter installed and as you can see, it does what it wants or goes in opposite directions, what else can you do???
    I will add that when the spindle is turned off everything works normally
     

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  2. Alex Chambers

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    English please.
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    The link below might help. First thing to check is that your spindle has an earth connection on pin 4 of the connector on the spindle. Second thing is to separate the spindle wiring from any other wiring - physical distance is the best cure for emi, and the same thing applies to your vfd - keep it as far away from your controller and it's wiring as possible.

    docs:blackbox-x32:faq-emi [OpenBuilds Documentation]

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    thank you and how long can the cable from the VFD to the blackbox be? so as to muddy the inverter as far as possible?
     
  5. Bober

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    I did a half hour project, everything came out great, no bugs
    but when I move the axes with the interface with the spindle turned on, there are problems with smooth movement and sometimes another axis will move without pressing the button is it normal and nothing to worry about??
     
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    Those are symptoms of EMI.
    VFDs create a lot of interference, but keep working at it, as per the FAQ linked above. Earthing most importantly
     
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    I have everything grounded
    I measured with a meter that pin 4, i.e. the mass goes to the spindle housing and the spindle housing is in the holder where the entire cnc frame is also grounded
    Could this cause an EMI loop?
     
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    whether to disconnect one thing the wire from pin 4 from the ground or the grounding of the frame
    to avoid the loop ??
     
  9. Alex Chambers

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    Do NOT disconnect the earth lead from pin 4 on your spindle - that is an essential safety feature. If anything were to go wrong internally it stops you getting electrocuted.
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    Is everything connected to the same power strip I see in the video? you can get filtered power strip, and separate the vfd from the other things.
    Ground loops are harder to make than the internet will make you believe, if everything is connected to the one earth ground of your household wiring then everything is the same "ground".
    Hopefully your house is wired correctly and has no problems.
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    jest w tym samym pasku vfd
    a u mnie nie ma uziemienia ale mam osobny metrowy przewód wbity w ziemię do cnc i wszystko jest podłączone
     
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    "it is in the same vfd belt and I have no grounding but I have a separate one-meter cable stuck in the ground to the cnc and everything is connected"

    Need to have the vfd power off the power strip, and if using a different ground rod than your electrical system then there is a chance for a ground loop.
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    so you propose separate grounding for vfd and separate power supply?
     
  17. Gary Caruso

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    No, same ground but don't power everything from same power belt or power strip, and use a filtering strip for the control power.
    Also can check with a meter if your grounding is correct at your outlet, look for Youtube video on how to check.
    upload_2023-4-19_8-49-43.png

    For example;
    upload_2023-4-19_8-51-28.png
     
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    I bought such an emi filter, maybe it will help connect it to the vfd
     
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    Emisja filtra
     

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