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H100 VFD 220V with 1.5Kw Spindel 2 poles air cooled with Black Box

Discussion in 'Controller Boards' started by Søren Weitling, Aug 3, 2022.

  1. Hykr3n

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    Tested this and it work!

    thanks
     
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  2. Hykr3n

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    It seem i cant comtrol rpm using fusion post.

    i set$30 to 1000 to output 10v

    what do i have to change?

    set$30to 20000rpm dosent work

    thanks
     
  3. Søren Weitling

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    Sorry I dont use Fusion, so cannot help you.
     
  4. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Just takes 3 things.

    • Set $30 to whatever your spindles actual max RPM is
    • Set tool rpm in your Toolpath
    • Make sure to use our Fusion post.
    Assuming spindle is properly setup and tested from the Tool On menu.
     
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  5. Hykr3n

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    It worked well with $30 set at 1000 and 10 volt
    Only problem is it is always running at 100%
    Since the cam send m3s12500 the spindle run at 24k

    if i set $30 at 24000 rpm
    The spindle barely turn

    thanks for your help
     
  6. Peter Van Der Walt

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    S24000 in gcode and $30=24000 = 100% PWM = 10v out the 0-10v
    S12500 in gcode and $30=24000 = 52.1% PWM = 5.2v out the 0-10v
    etc

    S12500 in gcode and $30=1000 = 1250% PWM = limited back to a max of 100% = 10v out the 0-10v (1000 is not appropriate setting for a VFD though, anything over 1000 will be 100% = 10v)

    Rest of it is up to the spindle setup not the CAM.
    If your CAM outputs M3S12500, and $30=24000 then the spindle should spin at about half speed (12500 is 500 over half)

    PS: test with the Tool ON menu :)
    also see docs:blackbox-x32:connect-vfd [OpenBuilds Documentation]
     
  7. Hykr3n

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    Got all this

    ill recheck my 0-10v at 24000
    ill post my grbl config later if needed
    It might be my vfd setup too
    h100 is not the most easy out of the box
     
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    Is it possible that the spindle dosent turn if bbx32 is sending more than 10v?
     
  9. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Ok

    i setted it at 9.99v
    If i set $30 at 1000 and send m3s1000
    Everything work enven m3s500 speed goes down
    Send m5 spindle stop

    if i set $30 at 24000.rpm
    nothing spindle barely turn.
    Im lost. I think i will change the vfd drive

    thaks for your support Peter
     
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    A reset eprom and fresh new machine config worked

    thanks
     
  12. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Probably changed advanced parameters like spindle freq as defaults should have worked. (Reset to defaults works too after all) - always hard to guess if there was unknown changes that aren't declared :)
     
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    I got my X32 working with the H100 last night,

    Here is how I did it

    1) Need a working VFD/H100 - manual control (Run stop, speed set with potentiometer)
    Mine came pre-configured
    2) In OpenBuilds Control
    under Grbl Settings set
    $30 Maximum spindle speed, RPM to your max RPM of your spindle (in my case 24000)
    save to firmware - and reset
    3) Send a start spindle with speed command to your machine
    send gcode M03S24000 (S24000 should match what you set in $30)
    4) measure and adjust the voltage on 0-10V terminal to get as close to 10V as you can Mine is 10.5
    5) turn the power off on the 0-10V by sending gcode M05
    6) On the H100 Cable A11 & GND to 0-10V on X32
    7) On the H100 Cable a Jumper from GND to X1
    8) Set the following on H100
    F001 = 1 - Control Mode External
    F002 = 1 - Use A11 Frequency not potentiometer
    F007 = 20 - Minimum frequency - will turn off spindle when signal less then 20
    9) test
    send gcode M03S24000 VFD should show frequency around 400
    send gcode M03S1800 VFD should show frequency around 300 (mine is 299) * may need to adjust 0-10V to get it spot on
    send M05
    ** with this setup the VFD my not be displaying fequency (Hz) check the front panel LEDs (Run Hz A V F/R)
    if Hz is not lit use the << button to change to Hz

    ** there are other F settings that I plan on trying will document the ones that work in this thread.
    Things like displaying the RPM instead of Hz, Being able to switch from X32 control to manual control using the F/R button.

    ********************

    My VFD/Spindle

    VFD: Model: H100 - H100-1.5C2-1B
    Manufacturer: Changzhou Huajiang Electric Appliance company
    Sold By: Zhong Hua Jiang
    Amazon Link: Amazon.com

    Link to Spindle Manual:
    https://images.thdstatic.com/catalog/pdfImages/b0/b008b752-3e4a-4c5c-aa62-3f425c50eff9.pdf


    The VFD comes pre-configured from Zhong Hua Jiang so just need to connect cables and it is ready to run.
     
  14. Peter Van Der Walt

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    BlackBox X32 V1.3 and newer (latest batch) can run this via RELAY1 too. Older BlackBoxes uses the jumper wire. Just a heads up as we keep improving BlackBox :)


    ***applause*** - as I've said for years - good VFDs allow stopping using just 0-10v, with correct parameters. H100 is one of my favourite VFDs. Just goes to show, good choice for older BBs too :)
    * Note, might want to make it 120hz / 7200 rpm - can burn spindle windings if spun too slow

    1800 or 18000? :) 300/400*24000 = 18000 :)
     
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    >> * Note, might want to make it 120hz / 7200 rpm - can burn spindle windings if spun too slow
    Noted,,, will change it tonight

    >> 1800 or 18000? :) 300/400*24000 = 18000

    18000, typo.... :)
     
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    Can you please explain step 7 or show pictures? I am not quite sure what grounding out x1 does or is even a good idea.
     
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    Grounding X1 puts the spindle into run mode, The H100 needs two inputs, X1/Gnd for run mode and then the PWM to set the speed

    it is possible to use the x32 to switch this, but I have not tried it.
     
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    Hi, I've got a 220 volt 3KW spindle with a Blackbox x32 Controller on a H100 220 volt VFD. What are the connections from the controller to the VFD to turn the spindle on with the 0-10 volt option?
     
  19. Søren Weitling

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    Sorry I dont have the x32. But I am sure Peter will respond
     
  20. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Just 0-10v (2 wire with GND and the 0-10v signal) docs:blackbox-x32:connect-vfd [OpenBuilds Documentation]

    BlackBox brings the 0-10v signal everything else is configured on the VFD.

    Min freq to set start point (120hz) and freq source, start source set to Terminals.
    Jumper or safety switch on the Run terminal. Read your VFDs manual
     
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    Thanks Guys. I have run into a completely different problem & I can't find where I start a new dicussion so here goes.
    When I bring up any job even jobs I've cut before I can't seem to zero the job. After I've homed the machine & go to sheet edge then hit zero job the numbers change on the screen but the blackbox x32 controller doen't seem to get the zero job signal as the job issues numbers stay the same as when I've homed. Any Ideas.
     
  22. Peter Van Der Walt

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    If the numbers change, it did "get the signal"

    Is your Gcode referenced off the correct origin (Same Zero point in CAD, CAM and Reality)
     
  23. Levi Mandel

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    Yes the gcode is referenced to the correct origin. As I said there are some files I've cut before with no issues. It seems to do it on all cut files. I guess I forgot to mention that I'm using CNC3D Commander to run my machine. In CNC 3D Commander there is a option that shows potential issues & it always shows potential issues as if I haven't moved away from machine home & didn't zero job on the plate edge. It just started doing this out of the blue. Could a broken wire somewhere cause this?
     
  24. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Try CONTROL, will probably work as expected then
     
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    Thanks. That worked. Back in business. You guys are awesome.
     

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