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  1. Gus Mcfarland

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    I biult an JDs garage CNC plasma table.I have it working and am trying to cut some dog shapes out of .0125"
    some setting in Setup or Post or Possibly Tool setup.When i open in OpenBiulds The paths have Mostly blue lines with sections of red in curves.When the torch slows it goes off.
    I am useing Fusion and OpenBiulds Post.No ARCS[​IMG]
     
  2. Misterg

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    What is the value of your $32 setting? (Laser mode)

    If it is enabled (1) set it to disabled (0).
     
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    Extinguishing arc is usually related to
    - air pressure too high
    - worn consumables
    - cut height too high
    - wrong consumables (using drag cutting with a clear cut nozzle or cutting high with a drag nozzle)
     
  4. Gus Mcfarland

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    The torch goes out because it's 1/8 and when it slows it runs out of metal and goes off.
    It has been cutting fine with square and circles .
    I was cutting 3/16 and when it slowed in the curves it was not a problem but when I dropped to 1/8 the torch would go off in the curves.
    I un checked the ARCS box and it cut fine.
    Now with these new shapes I am having problems.
    What can I do to help you All to help Me?
     
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  5. Gus Mcfarland

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    The G-Coad has these sections of short jogs what did i do wrong?


    (Made in : Autodesk CAM Post Processor)
    (G-Code optimized for Grbl 1.1 / BlackBox controller)
    (OpenBuilds CNC : GRBL/BlackBox)
    (Post-Processor : OpenbuildsFusion360PostGrbl.cps V1.0.42)
    (Units = mm)
    (Laser UseZ = false)
    (Laser UsePierce = false)

    (Arcs are limited to the XY plane: if you want vertical arcs then)
    (edit allowedCircularPlanes in the CPS file)

    (Drawing name : Meerkat4 v2)
    (Program Name : Meerkat 4)

    (1 Operation :)
    (1 : 2D Profile1)
    ( Work Coordinate System : G54)
    ( Tool 2: Plasma Cutter Diam = 25.4mm)
    ( Machining time : 0h:0m:50s)

    G90 G94 G17
    G21

    (Plasma pierce height 4)
    (Plasma topHeight 3)

    (Operation 1 of 1 : 2D Profile1)
    G54
    (Plasma cutting with GRBL.)
    (Using torch height probe and pierce delay.)
    (This relies on homing, see Search Results for Query: G53 fusion | OpenBuilds )
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    G0 X80.776 Y45.363 Z45

    G38.2 Z-30 F100
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  6. Gus Mcfarland

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    I checked it was enabled changed it same thing
     
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    Make sure that it is set to 'disabled' (and don't forget to save the change). If it was 'enabled' it could cause the torch to switch off at slow speeds (depending on how you're controlling the torch).
     
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    for plasma, laser mode must be disabled

    then in Fusion360 you need to enable smoothing and set the value to a useful amount, try kerf width as a starting point.

    In short, the torch is slowing in curves because Fusion360 is generating thousands of short Gcode moves, and it takes time to process those thousands of lines of tiny moves.
    Smoothing reduces the line count, the lines don't need to be shorter than the kerf width, so you can fiddle with settings till you get lines of about that length.

    How long is a move?
    Gcode moves from the postion of the previous move, to the position of this move
    G20 ; inches
    G1 X-5.5691 Y0.4451 ; from here
    G1 X-5.5669 Y0.4900 ; to here

    The length of the move is sqrt( (x1-x2)^2 + (y1-y2)^2)
    sqrt ( (-5.5691- -5.5669)^2 + (0.4451-0.49)^2)
    sqrt ( 0.0022^2 + 0.0449^2) signs don't matter since we are squaring so I have left them out
    sqrt ( 0.00000484 + 0.002)
    sqrt(0.00202)
    = 0.04495"
    so, about 1.1mm in this case

    the controller has to do that calculation (and more) for every line it gets, while simultanously driving the motors and checking for errors etc.
    a long sequence of 0.04" moves is usually ok, a long sequence of 0.004 moves will slow it down and that is not ok.

     
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  9. Gus Mcfarland

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    Thank you I need time to think about this. Away from Machine
     
  10. Gus Mcfarland

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    thanks a lot. Went back into ink, scape and smooth out my drawing. It works fine now.
     
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