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    doubt it can do the motors, they are DC motors, right?

    the steppers will move but might be overpowered, I don'tknwo what the low end of the current adjustment is but it might stillb e too much for those tiny motors.
    Yes, one could add a resistor in series with each coil, which will reduce the heating, but may have strange effects on other motor parameters.
     
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    Minimum is about 1.2A - likely too much for most NEMA8s I've seen. It's meant more for the NEMA17-23 range
     
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    hmm, I'm hoping to test out a NEMA 14 on the z axis to drive an acme thread, is that ill advised?

    Just checked the stats...
    • Nema 14 Stepper Motor with Step Angle 0.9 deg
    • Round, size diameter 36 x 12 mm
    • Holding torque 7 Ncm (9.91 oz.in)
    • Current/phase: 0.5 A and resistance/phase: 17 ohms
     
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    Way to small. 1.2A minimum (ideal for our 1.7A Max Nema17s). 0.5A max of yours needs more like 0.3A to run optimally. That figure is a Max rating, not a recommendation
     
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    Thanks! I've already tracked down a pancake NEMA17 that is rated to 1.2A so will use that instead
     
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    Do again note, if its "rated 1.2A" thats the manufacturer saying "This is the absolute max - dare exceed it and it will be dead"
    Put 1.2A into continuously - and it will overheat like crazy. A 1.2A Max motor will probably like 0.8A, and even with that still burn your hand. Max rating is like the red line on your car's rev counter - you can't drive around at 6500rpm all day every day either. Just the same you can't run a stepper at Max Current. Ideal current setting would be lower than the maximum (always)

    BlackBox was designed as a power house. Give it a decent motor like ours: NEMA 17 Stepper Motor
    Not only is it rated to a max of 1.7A (making that 1.2A minimum setting a nice sweet spot for it) but also has low inductance (higher max rpm) and low coil resistance (fast acceleration)
     
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    Thanks, I will take that into consideration.

    It would be nice if the blackbox controller offered a way to even further drop down the current to the axis motors (Z axis in particular.) While I understand that a lot of people are using BB for CNC there are also uses for it where motor sizes could be scaled down.
     
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    Understood, but at this point it is what it is - plenty of DRV8825/A4988/Pololu drivers based boards for the low end of the market - not much space for us
     
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    Lego motors are regular DC motors. I'm not sure about newer Lego motors.
     
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    True, although OpenBuilds is rather unique in that it provides a much higher quality and more complete solution (hardware/firmware/software/etc.).
     

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