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Looking for help with smoothness OX CNC

Discussion in 'CNC Mills/Routers' started by koenvanham, Nov 27, 2024.

  1. koenvanham

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    Hi experts!

    After 10 years of dust I finally found room to setup my Ooznest OX. It has a 1000x750mm bed, a Spark xpro v2 controller board, and 4 NEMA23 steppers. The Y & X-axis are belt driven.

    I have trouble with finding the right setting for a smooth mill experience. See attached video's.
    I use 1/8 microstep for the steppers. The most important GBRL settings I use are:

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    Grbl 1.1h
    $0=10 (Step pulse time, microseconds)
    $1=25 (Step idle delay, milliseconds)
    $2=0 (Step pulse invert, mask)
    $3=7 (Step direction invert, mask)
    $4=0 (Invert step enable pin, boolean)
    $5=0 (Invert limit pins, boolean)
    $6=0 (Invert probe pin, boolean)
    $10=1 (Status report options, mask)
    $11=0.010 (Junction deviation, millimeters)
    $12=0.002 (Arc tolerance, millimeters)
    $13=0 (Report in inches, boolean)
    $20=0 (Soft limits enable, boolean)
    $21=1 (Hard limits enable, boolean)
    $22=0 (Homing cycle enable, boolean)
    $23=0 (Homing direction invert, mask)
    $100=107.256 (X-axis travel resolution, step/mm)
    $101=107.256 (Y-axis travel resolution, step/mm)
    $102=200.000 (Z-axis travel resolution, step/mm)
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    As can be seen in the vid (and esp. heard in the sound), every step is distinguishable, were you would expect a more smooth operation. It harms the final result, it makes the tool bite the wood.

    Are people here with similar challenges? Are these solvable? Any tips are much appreciated!
     

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  2. Misterg

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    I don't think you're seeing individual steps - The feedrate *looks* very slow and it seems the tool is 'grabbing' at the work, then waiting for the machine to catch up, rather than cutting continuously.

    FWIW: I would try increasing the feedrate by at least 50% and see if it makes any difference. If nothing changes, go up by 50% again, etc.

    What feedrate are you using? (What 'feed per tooth' ?). It needs a *very* stiff machine to run low feedrates smoothly.
     
  3. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Could be runout on that "DC motor with a collet adapter pressed on" (those motors doesn't have sufficient bearings to be called a spindle)
     
  4. David the swarfer

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    Backlash somewhere, feedrate way too slow, depth of cut too much.
    On a belt drive OX you want to be using more of a 'high speed machining' approach, high feedrate with low depth of cut, high RPM.
    Sharp carbide tools.

    Try this, set the Z higher than the material so you can run the Gcode without it doing any cutting. Is that motion smooth?
     
  5. koenvanham

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    Hi Misterg, David and Peter,
    Thanks a lot for reacting. I implemented both you solutions and right now I'm getting the results I expected! Couldn't believe switching from my 100$ spindle to Makita would make such a difference. Especially since no play was noticeable on the bearing.
    Right now I'm somewhere between 500-1000 m/min, with ~15000rpm and 5/6mm tool. This seems to work fine. Although I think I could even step it up after lowering micro stepping to 2 instead of 8. I turned it down since overheating of my spark xpro2 was causing x-axis to freewheel. Added a fan as well to solve this.
     

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